We will give a good CWG: Sheila Dikshit


In 'Devil's Advocate', Karan Thapar talks with the Chief Minister of Delhi, Sheila Dikshit, about the work progress for the Commonwealth Games.
Karan ThaparHello and welcome to 'Devil's Advocate'. With just 35 days to go, the residents of Delhi are scared that their city could be reduced to gridlock, chaos and confusion by the Commonwealth Games. Here to discuss that question is the Chief Minister of Delhi, Sheila Dikshit.

Mrs Dikshi the residents of your city are petrified that come the Commonwealth Games, this city could be reduced to chaos and gridlock. Many think the answer is to flee. How can you reassure them that won't happen? Sheila DikshitNo please don't flee. I think a few people believe that the rest of the city is very excited about it and I can assure that the police and the agencies that look after traffic are very confident that things will work out well. You know, we have closed schools on those days.
Karan ThaparThat's true. But let me quote to you. One of your senior officials on Tuesday, just five days ago, said to the Calcutta newspaper, ‘The Telegraph’. He says: It would be an understatement to describe the situation as alarming. It is calamitous. Are you worried the way your officials think of it.
Sheila DikshitI don't know which officials said this. And if he hasn't got the courage to say that who is saying this, then I think he is just imagining things. And I don't know what level officer he was - whether he is connected with that? That's not going to happen. Please believe me.
Karan ThaparAlright. Let's come to the major areas of concern one-by-one. To begin with, let's talk about the roads. Many of them have the debris or the 'malwa' all over and are waterlogged. 'The Business Standard' has publicly said that the centre of Delhi - the Connaught Place - looks like a chaotic archeological dig hazardous to everyone. How did the situation get to this state.
Sheila DikshitNo, I think most of the agencies and the multiplicity of the agencies were very ambitious, over ambitious. And on top of that, we had rains that had never happen before like this in Delhi. So that slowed down work. But the NDMC which is looking after the Connaught Place -and I am there yesterday --is almost changing by the minute, by the hour. They are working very hard, 24 hours and I think it will be perfectly alright. --
Karan ThaparBut even a cycling event that was happening there on Sunday has to happen elsewhere because Connaught Place cannot take the cycling event.
Sheila DikshitNo that's alright, you have got an alternative. If you feel you are not confident --I don't think this is something that you need to worry about. You got an alternative so you have done it in the event that the Connaught Place is not ready.
Karan ThaparAlright. Beyond Connaught Place, what worries people is that all over Delhi, roads seem to be caving in. According to the Hindustan Times, 20 have caved in in the last two months including the new roads built outside Siri Fort and the police have publicly said that altogether, 279 roads are vulnerable. Let me quote to you what the Hindustan Times has said. It says: all roads in the capital are in the verge of collapse.
Sheila DikshitNo! How can they say that. Everybody is going around. Business is as usual in Delhi and --
Karan Thapar--but you keep reading about cars and trucks that are stuck in the caved in roads.
Sheila DikshitNo we do read about them. One car or one truck doesn't mean that the whole of Delhi has collapsed. Now the sun has come out since yesterday. They are working overtime. All the roads will be laid down properly whether they belong to PWD, CPWD, MCD or NDMC, all will be tucked. And I can assure you that this is not going to happen. We have had unusual rains. I wish they were the --now every newspaper or everybody just keeps on talking about one truck which has sunk in. Metro is also doing its work so please remember that we are working under circumstances where several things are being done.
Karan ThaparLet me ask you bluntly. When will the roads in Delhi be clear of ‘malwa’ and debri?
Sheila Dikshit'Malwa' and debri, they will be clear by September 10.
Karan ThaparAnd is that a deadline that you can keep?
Sheila DikshitWe had a deadline of August 31.
Karan ThaparAbsolutely that what--
Sheila Dikshit--we had a deadline but buildings are going on, work is going on and we have cleared --I would like to tell you, this is for your viewers to know that we have cleared over one hundred thousand metric tonnes of ‘malwa’ from all over Delhi.
Karan ThaparBut you are saying that to me that by the 10th of September, Delhi's roads will be clear of ‘malwa’ and debris.
Karan ThaparAnd you believe you can keep that commitment?
Sheila DikshitYes we will.
Karan ThaparAnd in the meantime, the other thing that worries people is that essential maintenance simple doesn't seem to be happening. For instance, critical junctions in Delhi that have traffic lights that have not worked for over a month; Andheria Mor is one. There you have a permanent 24 hour traffic jam. Why aren't traffic lights functioning particularly when there is ‘malwa’ and debris and water-logging all over?
Sheila DikshitHave you noticed that the police is changing the traffic lights; they are bringing in the blue ones, the modern ones. They will take a little time - 6 or 7 days. They have promised me --
Karan Thapar--but they have taken six weeks already
Sheila DikshitNo they were hampered because of the heavy rains. They could not dig in. The wiring was --they could not get--
Karan Thapar--when will all traffic lights be functioning in Delhi?
Sheila DikshitI think by September 10 or September 12, you will see a very very --
Karan Thapar--two days after the roads are cleared of ‘malwa’?
Sheila DikshitYes. No the roads are clear. There are little bits of ‘malwa’. Those we have picked up.
Karan ThaparA second major concern are the storm rains. Every time it rains, this city looks like a swimming pool. The MCD blamed the PWD, the PWD blamed construction agencies but no one seems to clear or clean the drains.
Sheila DikshitThat is true. There is a terrible problem of multiplicity of authorities. But now we have got the ToM, the Cabinet Secretary with his officers, a team of 8 or 10 officers looking after the venues. We have a team of officers who are not sitting in offices but are going out. Everything will be done. You don't find big ‘malwa’ now. You find little little ‘malwa’.
Karan ThaparBut you still find roads that are clogged.
Sheila DikshitNo road are - it's raining now. It will not rain in October. I hope not unless we have a freak weather.
Karan ThaparSo till the rains stop, water-logging will continue?
Sheila DikshitIn places. It's not all over Delhi. There are some areas which are -in fact 99 per cent --
Karan Thapar--but the horrific pictures that you see on television and on the front pages of newspapers, that's going to continue.
Sheila DikshitThis is what I would like to request you through you, everybody else, look at the positive side of it. There are miles and miles and miles, many more miles of roads that are functioning well and very little - one car or two trucks - getting stuck.
Karan ThaparMany people think that you are minimizing the situation. People who live in Delhi, who drive in Delhi have found themselves stuck in traffic for hours.
Sheila DikshitI have been stuck in traffic for two or three hours. It happens cause there are people --
Karan Thapar--Can I pick up on that. Many people in that conversation say when was the last time the Chief Minister of Delhi, Sheila Dikshit was stuck in traffic. You have escort cars --
Sheila DikshitNo, even the escort cars cannot fly over traffic jams. And we are particular that we have to wait.
Karan ThaparSo you have been stuck in traffic jams for hours on end.
Karan ThaparFor hours on end?
Sheila DikshitYes, two and a half hours. I won't say one hour. Two and a half hours once -- one hour the next time. And this was done at a time when I was going around the city trying to see what the defects are. We are doing. And I can only promise you please have faith. This is the country's pride and everybody is behind --
Karan Thapar--I can accept that this is the country's pride but you are making a plea for faith. Let me put to you one problem that will occur to the audience as they hear you. From September 20, specialCommonwealth Games lanes will start functioning on 300 kilometers of Delhi's roads. Have you got a plan to ensure that traffic doesn't get gridlocked?
Sheila DikshitYes the police has done it. And it is just a lane.
Karan ThaparBut sometimes it is a one lane or a two lane road. You are literally reducing the traffic flow by 50 per cent.
Sheila DikshitHave you a suggestions for that? I would love to have it. I would love to have people tell me.
Karan ThaparIn other words, there is no alternative to traffic jams that will start from September 20th?
Sheila DikshitWhat do you mean by guarantee. There are traffic jams even today.
Karan ThaparBut they will get worse.
Sheila DikshitThey won't get worse. All that people will have to do is adjust the going out. Many times you see empty cars on the road; just the driver driving from one place to another and one person sitting in it. I think a little bit of adjustment --I appeal to the people that this is something that we will have to adjust ourselves to. It's not going to be there forever. It's something --the games are a pride of India.
Karan ThaparSo, you are saying beyond faith, you are also asking people adjust. a) don’t go out b) only go when necessary c) make sure you don't send empty cars.
Sheila DikshitNo I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that if I have to go out shopping or go out somewhere, I can postpone it a little later. The player will go at certain times, the times will be told, the lanes are all there, the police will be guiding--
Karan Thapar--we will know when the players are going?
Sheila DikshitYes they will.
Karan ThaparThere will be a schedule published in the paper?
Sheila DikshitI don't think there will be a schedule. I don't know that because that's the police commissioner's job. I don't know what they are going to do. But the priorities will be the players. They are our guests. They have come for the games so the priority --
Karan Thapar--residents of Delhi are not your priority when the games happen.
Sheila DikshitOf course they are. We would like them to come and see the games but there are security concerns, there are concerns --you know about eight thousand - nine thousand people are coming only for the Commonwealth Games.
Karan ThaparPeople are frightened when they hear that number. It worries them enormously.
Sheila DikshitPlease don't get worried. Five to ten, it's beautiful weather at that time. Everything will be alright.
Karan ThaparLet me then pick up on something you said right at the beginning of the interview. You sought of suggested that perhaps one of the reasons people have problems today is that the government had been overambitious. Are you in a sense saying that perhaps, on hindsight, you have made a mistake in not limiting yourself to the essential work of the Commonwealth Games but also taking up the beautificaiton of Lutyens Delhi. And as a result, you may be handling too much at one go.
Sheila DikshitNo. We have got enough this thing. As I said, maybe. But we will complete it. Everybody --
Karan Thapar--but have you been too ambitious?
Sheila DikshitNo, I don't think so. We have preponed a lot of things which would have taken another 20 years to come or 10 years to come.
Karan ThaparWas it wise to prepone them and do them altogether.
Sheila DikshitNo, they started sometime in 2005, 07 08 --
Karan ThaparCan I quote Raj Kumar Chavan your PWD Minister. He says that 77 projects were taken up simultaneously. Was that not too many for Delhi to manage?
Sheila DikshitNo, unfortunately you don't go to other parts of Delhi. You go and see what is happening in other parts of Delhi. You go and look at the Karnal road. You go and look at the beautiful ITO chungi. The beautiful other -
Karan Thapar-that's only certain parts of Delhi that are suffering-
Sheila Dikshit--and there is this Saleemgarh fort which is going to give you a parallel line --
Karan Thapar--so when it's over, Delhi will smile and say this is a beautiful city. That's your hope?
Sheila DikshitThat's not my prayer, that's not my hope, that's my belief.
Karan ThaparLet's come to other games related challenges that you have faced. First of all, Power. Now it is clear that the Damodar Valley Corporation, the Bawana and Jhajhar plants have let you down. Will you have enought power for the Commonwealth Games or will Delhi face widespread and prolonged powercuts?
Sheila DikshitNo it won't. Delhi is prepared with adequate and enough power. There will be no problems as far as power is concerned. And October, fortunately, is a month when the usage of power come down quite considerably.
Karan ThaparExcept that for the fact that you were hoping for over 2000 MW of power from these sources. Now that it is denied to you, have you been able to find replacements?
Sheila DikshitYes of course we have. You know, there is trading in power so we will buy power whatever cost--
Karan Thapar--and these are commitments that you signed.
Sheila DikshitYes absolutely done. And I will tell you with other things, the Ministry of Power, the Government of India is very supportive; we will get power. We will not let you down where power is concerned and alternatives have also been set up.
Karan ThaparI think it's so important that as Chief Minister of Delhi, you are assuring the residents of Delhi as well as the country because country will be watching what happens that there will be no power cuts, no power shortages in Delhi in October.
Sheila DikshitNo, unless it happens to be local power in a particular colony by local fault. That I cannot guarantee. But there will be adequate, sufficient supply of power.
Karan ThaparWhen you talk of local faults, are you talking about localised power-cuts, localised power-shedding? Is that what it is about?
Sheila DikshitNo, no shedding. Shedding is very different from --if there is a problem. There will be no shedding at all, no requirement for any shedding.
Karan ThaparNo shedding at all in Delhi? People will be thrilled to hear that. But do you really believe you can live up to that?
Sheila DikshitOf course.
Karan ThaparAlright. Let's then come to a second concern. As you repeatedly said during this interview that Delhi has experienced unprecedented excessive rainfall and, worst of all, the meteorological department expects it to continue, perhaps even intensify, in September. Are you worried that rain is going to further delay the road, further delay the traffic, further waterlog the city despite all your deadlines of September 10 and September 12?
Sheila DikshitLook, I'll tell you one thing. We are working 24 hours, round the clock. I myself go to see that the workers are there. So the moment the rain stops, they start the work.
Karan ThaparBut if it stops. What if it doesn't?
Sheila DikshitWell if it doesn't, I can only pray and request you to pray, the city to pray, the whole country to play.
Karan ThaparSo rains is a factor that could bedevil the situation?
Sheila DikshitI would not take it so pessimistically. We will work; we will do our work --
Karan Thapar--you have a line of approach to the rain god.
Sheila DikshitNo, prayer.
Karan ThaparThe other problem, perhaps in many senses a more serious problem connected with the rains is the fear of dengue and swine flu. Already this year, as of today, you have 606 cases compared to just a handful last year.
Sheila DikshitThat's right.
Karan ThaparAre you prepared for action to ensure that thousands coming: the athletes, officials and tourists you have mentioned - nine thousand and maybe more - aren't going to fall ill in Delhi?
Sheila DikshitI mentioned 9000 of the officials Commonwealth Games officials and players.
Karan ThaparYou can double the number of tourists. Are you scared these guys would fall ill?
Sheila DikshitDengue lasts in Delhi for 15 days or 20 days.
Karan ThaparThe papers say it peaks in October.
Sheila DikshitNo not necessarily. Suppose if it rains --
Karan ThaparThe forecast for September is a 110 per cent of the long term average. That suggests you got a problem.
Sheila DikshitBut that is a forecast. Please remember that it is a forecast. I can't forecast anything. If something happens which is beyond your control, beyond my control, beyond the police's control, beyond everybody's control, we have to --but we are prepared as best as we can. Please remember that the Government of India, the Government of Delhi, the Lt. Governor, the DDA we are all at it, the health department is at it. Now if you take a population of 1 crore people having 600 cases are not a very large number.
Karan ThaparThe reason why I asked about dengue and the fact that it could spread and the fact that it could hit your tourists and your athletes is because the Hindu says that you don't have enough doctors in case you have a real spread. They say you face an acute shortage.
Sheila DikshitThere are enough doctors. We have also tied up. If we need doctors from other places like Noida or anywhere else --there are enough doctors.
Karan ThaparYou tied this up?
Karan ThaparWhen you say tied up, with private hospitals or state governments?
Sheila DikshitState government and private, whichever is available.
Karan ThaparSo doctors will be available from outside Delhi.
Sheila DikshitOf course there will be enough doctors, there will be enough --hospitals are there. Everything is being prepared. Now if there is an epidemic or something, we will be prepared for that also. Please remember we are a responsible and a responsive government.
Karan ThaparOn that thought, let me then come to my last issue - the security. As you know, theCommonwealth Games are a tempting target for not just the terrorists like the LeT but possibly, according to the papers, even the Naxals. How safe can Delhi be?
Sheila DikshitI don't go by the papers.
Karan ThaparBut you don't discount the threat.
Sheila DikshitPlease remember --alright there is a threat. If I started living by threat, I won't be able to do anything. But please remember security will cause some inconvenience to the people. They will not be dropped at the gate of the stadia they want to. They will have to walk a little bit. Now these are --how do you match contradictory situations. You have spoken to me about one truck or one car getting stuck. And always speaks to me about traffic jams in Delhi. Of course there are. There always have been.
Karan ThaparBut will Delhi be safe. Have you done enough to ensure that it is not a target of terror.
Sheila DikshitOf course. The police, the Home Ministry and everybody have taken adequate measures. I am not involved in it because the police don’t come under --
Karan ThaparLet me put last thoughts to you. ‘The Mail Today’ said that when the Commonwealth Games happen, over 6000 of the policemen in streets of Delhi will be half trained at best. They say they have been only put through crash courses.
Sheila DikshitWe have got a big force of 40,000.
Karan ThaparAdequately trained for the job?
Sheila DikshitYes. And they are getting the CRPF also. I am telling you this generally. They are getting a lot of them. I don't think any chances will be taken.
Karan ThaparSo Delhi will be safe?
Sheila DikshitOf course, Delhi will be safe. Delhi will have power, Delhi will safe, there would be a few traffic jams like there always are. But you keep talking of traffic jams everyday.
Karan ThaparBut Delhi will function.
Sheila DikshitOf course Delhi will function.
Karan ThaparMy last question. You have just 35 days, I keep reminding you, are you confident or would you hope there was a postponement.
Sheila DikshitNo. I would not hope for a postponement. We are confident that we will give you good games.
Karan ThaparMrs Dikshit, a pleasure talking to you.
Sheila DikshitThank you.

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